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Old 27/01/2014, 11:46 PM   #1
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- Added legacy mode for shot firing (shotcompmode 2 server.cfg setting) which uses only the camera for aiming and allows joypad auto-aiming
I wish to make a case against the legacy mode for shot firing. I have never heard of making a bug optional, because let's face it. That's what lagshooting / lead aiming has always been; a bug. Now it's finally fixed and it's being made optional?

I understand that it has been made optional for DM servers but this is bad for the SA-MP community in the long term. We should all move together in the interest of the SA-MP community as a whole. It made it easier for the average gamer to get used to SA-MP. When you join a server you don't know what to shoot at anymore. It will lead to confusion, inconsistency and loss of potential future players. We've already lost enough potential players due to this bug for years. I hope that won't be continued by keeping legacy mode.

While many of us have got used to lagshooting / lead aiming, you should think about it for a second... How unfair is it that you're easier or harder to hit based on your ping or FPS? How unfair is it that some people can get killed really easily and others are nearly impossible to kill? Shooting has been broken the entire time, because we've had to shoot air instead of actual players.

Do you understand how many people have quit SA-MP because they couldn't get used to lagshooting / lead aiming? Just because we've learnt how to lagshoot doesn't mean that everyone has. There are many people who have just gave up because they couldn't get used to it and because they were getting killed all the time. SA-MP has lost so many potential players this way because it's just not fun for them to play that way. I'm sure most of you will remember what it was like for you when you first joined SA-MP. Those of you who didn't know how to lagshoot had a hard time and were no match for people who know how to lagshoot. This would even out the playing field and make it more fair for all of us. We'll finally play the game how it's meant to be played.

Why do some people want this bug to continue to exist? Do you need lag advantages to win gun fights from other players? Do you want to mock newer players just because you're a better lagshooter?

For every player that quits because this bug was fixed, there will be a line of new players that will join SA-MP because the biggest bug has finally been fixed and they can play on an even level as people who have been playing for years. How great is that? I dare say it's one of the best things to have ever happened to SA-MP.

Not to even begin to mention that staying on 0.3x would have devastating effects on any server. They would block themselves from any new SA-MP features added now and in future updates. They would have no choice but to update if they want to see what SA-MP 0.4 has to bring. Historically all SA-MP updates have resulted in the entire SA-MP community moving to the new version together. This will be no different. Servers would be marginalized if they made such a ridiculous decision, so that's not going to happen. We've had fun with the previous versions but now it's time to move on. Besides we will all be used to it in a few months.

Communities opposed to legacy mode:
  • Horizon Gaming (hosts Horizon Roleplay) - confirmed by their Management
  • Next Generation Gaming (hosts Next Generation Roleplay) - confirmed by their Director of Development
  • NooBot Hosting (hosts NooBot Roleplay) - confirmed by the server owner
  • GTA MP Romania - confirmed by founder and administrator
  • [AVT] Army vs. Terrorists - confirmed by the server owner

Any server owners / communities that wish to be added to this list can send me a forum PM with their details. I will only add communities with an actual player base.

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Old 27/01/2014, 11:57 PM   #2
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You guys are never going to be happy, are you?

RC4 is an amazing update which offers you a LOT of new scripting opportunities along with the stuff added in 0.3z so far. Be happy, wait and see how stuff will actually turn out when 0.3z is released, instead of conjecturing the future of SA-MP gameplay and worrying about the effect of the changes made.

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Old 28/01/2014, 12:00 AM   #3
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This is a free mod, the developer does not have to put up with you people!

When 0.3z RC1 was released, half the players cried about proper sync "being forced" (which, in my opinion, was silly).
And NOW, people are crying about it NOT being forced? Oh, for crying out loud, make up your minds and deal with it!
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Old 28/01/2014, 12:00 AM   #4
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If you don't want it, don't use it.. It's simple..........
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Old 28/01/2014, 12:00 AM   #5
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You guys are never going to be happy, are you?
Who is "you guys"? I have nothing to do with the people who asked for it to be made optional. I've been rooting for the end of lagshooting / lead aiming since the start of 0.3z RCs and even explicitly asked for it not to be made optional in the interest of the SA-MP community as a whole.

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This is a free mod, the developer does not have to put up with you people!
He can choose to ignore us, of course. That's his choice to make.

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When 0.3z RC1 was released, half the players cried about proper sync "being forced" (which, in my opinion, was silly).
And NOW, people are crying about it NOT being forced? Oh, for crying out loud, make up your minds and deal with it!
See my reply to Drebin.
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Old 28/01/2014, 12:00 AM   #6
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I wish to make a case against the legacy mode for shot firing. I have never heard of making a bug optional, because let's face it. That's what lagshooting / lead aiming has always been; a bug. Now it's finally fixed and it's being made optional?

if you doesnt like it turn it off its your choice.

when the samp dev-team changes something all ppl cry,
when the state changes something, noone cares.
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Old 28/01/2014, 12:05 AM   #7
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If you don't want it, don't use it.. It's simple..........
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if you doesnt like it turn it off its your choice.
Neither of you read my post, because if you read my post then you wouldn't make these replies. It wasn't about how it affects individual servers but the SA-MP community as a whole. We will all be affected if this isn't removed. The average SA-MP player plays on more than one server and newer players try out several servers before they finally settle somewhere. I want to take this opportunity for SA-MP to gain more players rather than losing new potential players.
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Old 28/01/2014, 12:09 AM   #8
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We will all be affected if this isn't removed.
And how we're affected if it isn't removed?

It is the best thing for both parties,
if you have the choice between on or off.
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Old 28/01/2014, 12:10 AM   #9
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We will all be affected if this isn't removed.
And how we're affected if it isn't removed?

It is the best thing for both parties,
if you have the choice between on or off.
The "don't like it, don't use it"-argument is very poor because that's not the case I'm making against it. If a new player comes in and quits because of this bug (which many have over the years) then all of SA-MP loses a player, because that could have been a potential player for any of us. Do you want this community to grow or to lose potential players?
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Old 28/01/2014, 12:14 AM   #10
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They doesnt add the legacy mode -> They lose Players -> "We want the old Bug"
If they add the legacy mode -> They lose Players -> "We dont know what we want"

Just useless to say something against the legacy mode. Like it or go, its a game noone forces you to play.
Your live your choice
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